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@delicatedreamer wrote:
I'n off now, thanks for another great discussion guys, it's been really interesting! And thanks to our fab facilitators Sophie, bethechange and LUTW Smiley Happy

Good night!

Good night; have fun

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thanks DD!

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Re: Totally addicted to....................


@delicatedreamer wrote:
I'n off now, thanks for another great discussion guys, it's been really interesting! And thanks to our fab facilitators Sophie, bethechange and LUTW Smiley Happy

Good night!

Goodnight DD! Glad you've enjoyed the discussion. Smiley Happy

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@Pris wrote:


I woudn't necessarily say that all of them are happier with their lives, because in quite a lot of places like Indonesia, Indochina, and parts of China; extreme poverty run rampant. The money factor does play a big part in a person's happiness if you're under the poverty line (though not much after you've gotten over it). It'd only really be in Japan and South Korea where this is applicable in any sort of widespread manner.

 

As for "knowing who they are", on what grounds? I've met plenty of East Asian people over the internet, and some of them are as unsure of who they are as anyone else. I think this whole "Eastern countries are so mystical and whatever" is something of a myth, because with the widespread Westernisation in a lot of these countries, the traditional religions aren't as widely practiced as they used to be.

 

Beyond that; your point still stands.


It will take my effort to make my point...anyway I hear you.  Asian countries are too industrialised and materialised that much of their culture has gotten lost in Human evolvment.  Really we are the cause of our own destruction and unhappiness...but we're also the only ones who can get ourselves out of it.

 

'Knowing who you are'...as in your true essence.  All that is and a part of this world.  Knowing and realising you're a part of everything.  Nothing to do with whether you are married, have brothers, sisters etc...what you do for a career, what exercise you do.  It goes way beyond that.  Knowing who you are is about being in the present, observant, letting everything be and finding calm, peace and contentment in that...with absence of thought but mere observation.

Those spiritual practices are actually becoming a lot more popular and sought after.

 

Anyway...that's all I have to say on the matter for now.  At the end of the day there is a solution, it's up to you to decide whether or not you're ready for it.

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@_sagira_ wrote:

@Pris wrote:


I woudn't necessarily say that all of them are happier with their lives, because in quite a lot of places like Indonesia, Indochina, and parts of China; extreme poverty run rampant. The money factor does play a big part in a person's happiness if you're under the poverty line (though not much after you've gotten over it). It'd only really be in Japan and South Korea where this is applicable in any sort of widespread manner.

 

As for "knowing who they are", on what grounds? I've met plenty of East Asian people over the internet, and some of them are as unsure of who they are as anyone else. I think this whole "Eastern countries are so mystical and whatever" is something of a myth, because with the widespread Westernisation in a lot of these countries, the traditional religions aren't as widely practiced as they used to be.

 

Beyond that; your point still stands.


It will take my effort to make my point...anyway I hear you.  Asian countries are too industrialised and materialised that much of their culture has gotten lost in Human evolvment.  Really we are the cause of our own destruction and unhappiness...but we're also the only ones who can get ourselves out of it.

 

'Knowing who you are'...as in your true essence.  All that is and a part of this world.  Knowing and realising you're a part of everything.  Nothing to do with whether you are married, have brothers, sisters etc...what you do for a career, what exercise you do.  It goes way beyond that.  Knowing who you are is about being in the present, observant, content and finding calm, peace and contentment in that...with absence of thought but mere observation.

Those spiritual practices are actually becoming a lot more popular and sought after.

 

Anyway...that's all I have to say on the matter for now.  At the end of the day there is a solution, it's up to you to decide whether or not you're ready for it.


Yeah, I get all of that, and there is no doubt that Eastern ideas are becoming popular in the West, especially some Hindu ideas, and depending on how you define the East; Islam as well. However, I would question whether this is something that actually happens in the East on a large scale, or whether it's just a matter of society in general just wishing that such a thing could happen.

 

I'm not trying to attack you, though. Don't think that I am. I'm just not sure how close your ideas match the reality of what happens there in terms of spirituality.

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Here is a summary of what we discussed tonight guys and girls Smiley Happy
Thank you LUTW, Sophie and others for all of your input - you all had some very interesting points!

 

1. Have you ever felt like you (or someone you know) were addicted to something and how did it make you feel?   

  • ·         It made us feel: confused, frustrated, hopeless, time wasting, ashamed, embarrassed etc.

 

2. What do you think makes something an addiction vs. something you just like to do?

  • ·         When you become dependent and no longer have control which affects our focus
  • ·         You’re always thinking about it
  • ·         You’re drawn to it
  • Pris explained it well by describing the feeling of "My God; I'm going to die if I don't do [insert addiction here] real soon!".
  • It impairs our ability to live our lives
  • Continue to use, even when we know it is harmful

 

3. What could you get addicted to?

  • ·         We all shared several different addictions: internet, food, gaming, gambling, phones, alcohol/other drugs, caffeine, sugar, sports, exercise, porn, masturbation, TV, social media ANYTHING
  • ·         We may even get addicted to other people, which could be mutual or one-way, causing a range of obsessive feelings

 

4. If you have an addiction is it something you have done alone or with friends?

  • Some people have done it alone and some people with others
  • People’s addiction is likely to be a personal
  • However, in a group we may justify each other’s behaviour which normalises it, ignoring the destructive nature of the addiction.
  • We made the point that ‘friends’ can be hard to define in regard to addictions, is it the addiction that solely brings us together?
  • Sometimes it may start off as a solitary addiction and then change to include others ie. social media
  • It may also depend on the type of addiction
  • Birdeye made a very good point that although we may share our addiction, it is still OUR addiction
  • Also, because addiction may be accompanied by feelings of shame or humiliation, we may be less inclined to share it with others

 

5. How can addiction impact on mental health?

  • Fuels the difficult chronic conditions some suffer from: ie. depression, anxiety, high stress
  • It may make us feel like we’re on a high and is ‘helping’ our mental health, but this is always a short-term fix.
  • Some addictions may also cause more debilitating conditions such as schizophrenia
  • Families may break up over an individual’s addiction which can affect the mental health of all involved.
  • Both the state of our mental health and our addiction act on each other
  • It can ruin our social lives, make us angry, negative, withdrawn and isolated
  • We may begin to believe that our addiction is a NEED and not a WANT

6. Who would you be likely to turn to for help? Where could you go for help

 

7. What's one thing you'll take away from tonight's session?

  • Addiction is not black and white, it comes in many forms
  • It can affect us in many different ways

 

 

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Nice one bethechange! thanks for the summary.... thanks everyone again for tonight!!!!!! see you next week we'll be talking about SETTING GOALS!!!

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@pris I have an Indian friend whom I converse with quite frequently over the internet and she has only elaborated further on some of things I have mentioned.  I've also had a nun's and monk's from india educate me on such pratices as well and personally initate me into meditation...so I am only speaking from personal experience.

Mindfulness has actually been implemented as a psycholigical therapy in the form of ACT...so it works.

http://www.actmindfully.com.au/

 

I'm not feeling attacked, I'm just trying to make you realise I'm not just spurting out what I think from what I've heard from the media etc...

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Thanks guys...I appreciate the time and effort for tonights discussion.  All the best to you this week!

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@_sagira_ wrote:

@Pris I have an Indian friend whom I converse with quite frequently over the internet and she has only elaborated further on some of things I have mentioned.  I've also had a nun's and monk's from india educate me on such pratices as well and personally initate me into meditation...so I am only speaking from personal experience.

Mindfulness has actually been implemented as a psycholigical therapy in the form of ACT...so it works.

http://www.actmindfully.com.au/

 

I'm not feeling attacked, I'm just trying to make you realise I'm not just spurting out what I think from what I've heard from the media etc...


I have a friend in Chengdu, China who's Christian. Anecdotal evidence can go either way, really, so I think this is one of those things where statistical data gotten through surveys and whatever would be better