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Browsing through search results in the early hours of the morning, my fifteen year old self was awestruck by the variety of contraceptives that weren’t known as “condoms” or “the Pill”. As I sheepishly clicked through the articles one by one, I knew that there was still quite a lot for me to learn.

 

During the later years of high school, people were talking about how life was going to be divine after graduation. Getting their provisional licence, going on road trips or travelling overseas, going to university – the way they spoke with such ambition and grandeur. It was all about careers; not friendships or even intimate relationships.

I came from a school that although presented as open-minded, was actually very conservative. The topic of sex was always taboo – despite the fact that everyone was doing it. Whether it was embarking on your sexual awakening or continuing your sexual shenanigans, mention sex aloud and you’re in trouble. Other than learning about reproductive systems in biology or sitting through an awkward ten minute presentation for Schoolies, contraception was not covered either.  Even though we learned about a lot of methods we could use, I knew of more than a few couples that thought the ‘pull out’ method was enough (it’s really not).

 

I went to my local GP. Who knew there were so many forms of contraception?! Female condoms, rods, injections, rubbers, there’s even patches. I ended up getting a prescription for the contraceptive pill. With some instructions on how to take it, I was on my way. However, I must say, I did become slack (which is something you should never slack on) so I began searching for alternatives.

 

It was embarrassing knowing how little I knew about different contraceptives as well as the numerous sexually transmitted infections and diseases you could get without using protection. Growing up, I never had “The Talk” with the parents. My education was a mash of internet porn, word-of-mouth and Google. But going to see a general practitioner to talk about it and doing some myth-busting with me did help. As time went on, looking at websites like Better Health Victoria and reading magazines gave me reminders.

 

Join us in the forums this Monday (20th January) at 8pm AEST, to tell us what you think about safe sex! Hope to see you there 🙂

Rosie-RO
Rosie-ROPosted 15-01-2014 05:30 PM
 
 
 
Myvo
MyvoPosted 20-01-2014 08:14 PM

Keeping yourself and your partner safe during sex is priority! But sometimes, it can be challenging to understand the attitudes of others towards sex and what you think of it too. This brings us to our next question: 

 

2. Growing up (or even now), what attitudes about sex have you come across in others – both positive and negative? 

 
 
 
 
BettieRage
BettieRagePosted 20-01-2014 08:45 PM
2. Growing up (or even now), what attitudes about sex have you come across in others – both positive and negative?

Most of the attitudes that I've encountered about sex from school/family have been somewhat negative. i.e.

- if you're on the pill, its because you're a slut, (what my mum insinuated when she made me go on it, but she preferred this way i 'couldn't get pregnant.
- you have to be in love with person that you want to have sex with for the first time
- that your sexual activity acts as your moral compass i.e. the more you have with more people, the worse off you are.
- if you get X far into the act, you have to keep going
- experimenting with your sexuality = bad
- men who like being penetrated must be gay

Its been through feminism that I've been able to find some really positive attitudes.

- you can say no at any time, you are not obligated to have sex with anyone, even if you are dating them.
- you can have alot of fun and really enjoy yourself
- its ok to carry condoms, and seek out birth control that best suits you, i.e. i have the rod now
- being coerced into it is not consent
- you do not have low self esteem, or a lack of self respect for speaking openly about your sexuality or having desires.
- sex doesn't make you dirty or a bad person
 
 
 
 
 
Myvo
MyvoPosted 20-01-2014 08:49 PM

 @BettieRage My mum was the same - thought I was being a tramp by being on it. Although, the contraceptive pill can possess some benefits for your skin so I was able to swing that Smiley Happy The 'being in love' with your partner before you go all the way can go both ways. I have friends that prefer that but it doesn't inherently make you a 'bad person' if you're not Smiley Tongue The moral compass thing, although I can understand, is kind of baloney Smiley Tongue and I can imagine it being a fairly negative attitude that some people may have. And yay to feminism!Smiley Very Happy

 
 
 
 
 
BettieRage
BettieRagePosted 20-01-2014 09:04 PM
@Myvo Glad I'm not alone with that experience, but i also wish i was yanno. my mum was like 'this is just for your skin ok' after interrogating me about my lack there of nocturnal activities, making fun of me for being in the bathroom too long (you're probably masturbating in there).

Yay feminism indeed!
 
 
 
 
 
Sophie-RO
Sophie-ROPosted 20-01-2014 08:49 PM
Nice one again BettyRage - great to get your perspective tonight! So awesome you found some more sex-positive attitudes within feminism!
 
 
 
 
Sophie-RO
Sophie-ROPosted 20-01-2014 08:21 PM

Ohhhh lots of different attitudes!!

 

There is this guy and others like him:

 

Abstinence is not a great option for everyone - so it's important that we talk to everyone about safe sex options!!

 
 
 
 
delicatedreamer
delicatedreamerPosted 20-01-2014 08:19 PM

Growing up (or even now), what attitudes about sex have you come across in others – both positive and negative? 


I've come across a lot of different attitudes. And many are conflicting. I've listed some common ones below.

 

  • If you're a virgin in your 20's + it's a bad thing.
  • You should wait until marriage to have sex.
  • You should wait until you feel safe and respected and are with the right person.
  • If you "hold out" too long you won't get a guy (they won't wait).
  • If you've slept with lots of people it's a bad thing (although this seems to mostly be about girls - double standard alert!)
 
 
 
 
 
Myvo
MyvoPosted 20-01-2014 08:24 PM

@delicatedreamer 

 

Yup, I've come across all of those too. In the end, it's really up to how you feel about and what values you hold with sex. 

The double standard! Arghhh! Like @Chonty said, guys are seen to be somewhat heroic if they have multiple partners and girls are unfairly shamed Smiley Sad

 
 
 
 
 
Myvo
MyvoPosted 20-01-2014 08:28 PM

Wow, there are heaps of different attitudes out there about sex and sometimes, they can lead to some rather strange teachings of it. In my lifetime, I've encountered some rather bizarre ones. So, I'd like to ask this: 

3. Did you get any sex ed in school – what was it like? Where else did you learn about sex?

 
 
 
 
 
BettieRage
BettieRagePosted 20-01-2014 08:56 PM
3. Did you get any sex ed in school – what was it like? Where else did you learn about sex?

The first lesson of my sex ed class in highschool was 'for homework go and buy condoms, every year girls get pregnat and drop out, if you're going to do it, you have to be able to buy them first'.
And then the next lesson we were putting them on chairlegs.

I went to a catholic primary school and the sex ed was surprisingly good, starting from reception where you would see a baby being given a bath, to learning about how plants and animals reproduce, then humans, then puberty, then STIs and HIV.

What was missing though was
- consent
-respectful relationships
- where you can find more information
- safe sex in a queer context
- contraceptives that wasn't condoms, i.e. the pill, the internal condom, the rod, etc
- gender issues
- anything LGBT

Some of my friends had horrific experiences in highschool where the religous schools would put sticky tape on your arm and say. 'this is a metaphor for sex, it can make you bond with someone so you stick well' and then rip the sticky tape off. 'but if you have sex with more than one person, you're dirty, and have all this skin/hair/dirt/baggage, and then it doesn't stick so well with the next person". aka if you have sex with anyone that you're not married too, you're dirty, worthless, and won't be able to function in relationships.
 
 
 
 
 
Sophie-RO
Sophie-ROPosted 20-01-2014 08:59 PM
Oh wow - that experience in the religious school is awful!

It would be GREAT if every school would include
- consent
-respectful relationships
- where you can find more information
- safe sex in a queer context
- contraceptives that wasn't condoms, i.e. the pill, the internal condom, the rod, etc
- gender issues
- anything LGBT

in sex ed!!!
 
 
 
 
 
Sophie-RO
Sophie-ROPosted 20-01-2014 09:00 PM
Hey I'm confused - is this question about The Talk with a parent or The Talk with a partner about safe sex?
 
 
 
 
 
Chonty
ChontyPosted 20-01-2014 08:59 PM

wow @BettieRage 

that sounds like a full on metaphor for sex! I can see that causing a lot of self conflict when your friends started having relationships 

 
 
 
 
 
Myvo
MyvoPosted 20-01-2014 08:59 PM

@BettieRage Oh, dude, that sticky tape metaphor is horrible! Smiley Frustrated I do like your insight to what you identify as missing in sex education - if they were covered,  there'd be less confusion. 

 
 
 
 
 
BettieRage
BettieRagePosted 20-01-2014 09:13 PM
@Myvo It seemed like a PG way of slut shaming before puberty even settled in for some poeple.
.
And thankyou, sex ed is kind of a passion of mine
 
 
 
 
 
Chonty
ChontyPosted 20-01-2014 08:32 PM

3. Did you get any sex ed in school – what was it like? Where else did you learn about sex?

 


Maan, first and only sex ed class I got was in year eight, where all the girls were put in one classroom and all the boys in another, and a sex-ed video was put on! It was awkward and funny to us all, and we didn't really take it seriously. 

Then a year later my mum sat me down to have the talk but I brushed it off and said "I know it all already!" now I feel bad that I rejected her :[ haha 

And I can't even remember what the video was about! Most of what I learnt was throught school friends talking

 
 
 
 
 
Myvo
MyvoPosted 20-01-2014 08:37 PM

@Chonty Hahaha, I had the same experience! The only sex education I ever got was at a two year stint at a private school that threw all of us together in the room and put a VHS animation about sex Smiley Tongue I mostly learnt about sex through talking with friends, the Internet, teen magazines and the ever-so glorified pornography ><"

 
 
 
 
 
Chonty
ChontyPosted 20-01-2014 08:41 PM

Hey @BettieRage 

That was really well written! And a good perspective on what safe sex means

 

Haha @Myvo I wonder if all schools use the same video Smiley Tongue looks like we get a lot of our information from friends and the internet

 
 
 
 
 
Sophie-RO
Sophie-ROPosted 20-01-2014 08:26 PM
People are so judgemental when it comes to sex!!! Like, girls can be too "frigid" and sleep around too much all at the same time! But guys are just studs/players!

Society has some pretty weord ideas about sex.
 
 
 
 
 
delicatedreamer
delicatedreamerPosted 20-01-2014 08:36 PM

@Sophie-RO wrote:
People are so judgemental when it comes to sex!!! Like, girls can be too "frigid" and sleep around too much all at the same time!

OMG this. Totally agree Soph!

 

Did you get any sex ed in school – what was it like? Where else did you learn about sex?


We got a bit at my school but it was based around the biology than the practical issues of sex. And we had a lady come to tell us all we had to wait until we got married to have sex and shouldn't have abortions - oh dear :/. My main port of call for sex ed was Dolly mag and my friends.

 
 
 
 
 
BettieRage
BettieRagePosted 20-01-2014 08:58 PM
Dolly doctor was a very important part of learning about safe sex. But i think it also perpetrated weird myths at the same time.

i.e. saying that its supposed to hurt the first time you have sex (its not).
 
 
 
 
 
Myvo
MyvoPosted 20-01-2014 08:41 PM

@delicatedreamer I do believe knowing the biology side is an interesting part of learning sex. Sometimes, I wondered whether students are taught that because it sounds rather unerotic XD Whoo for teen magazines!

 
 
 
 
 
Myvo
MyvoPosted 20-01-2014 08:46 PM

Alrighty, next question!

4. Chances are you might find yourself in a situation where your partner doesn’t want to use protection, for one reason or another. What are some ways you can convince them it’s a good idea, and when do you think you should stand your ground? 

 


> I usually draw out the pregnancy card, explaining how I'm not keen and how they're probably not keen about being a young parent. There's also reminding them about STIs and STDs too. You should really stand your ground if they refuse and not taking into account of you've just explained to them, start making threats (e.g. "I'll leave you"), making some rather ludicrous health claims (e.g. "I'll die/get "blue balls" if I don't have sex - which just so happens to feel better without a condom) or you're no longer feeling safe being with them. 

 
 
 
 
 
BettieRage
BettieRagePosted 20-01-2014 09:02 PM
I think having the conversation prior to the sex is always important to draw clear bondaries, however it doesn't always happen that way, ie. with hook ups.

The 'good idea' is that you will not do something that makes you feel uncomfortable. Get dressed, leave.

If you're a uterus owner whos going to maybe have sex with a penis owner. Ask them what you think you should call your potential child.

If someone ever gives you some weird ass excuse like blue balls, they are a joke and not worth it. Just bail.
 
 
 
 
 
Sophie-RO
Sophie-ROPosted 20-01-2014 08:56 PM
Well I think that having to "convince" a partner during the act is a very big red flag that this partner not be the one for you. But sometimes during the moment, particularly if alcohol is involved things can get messy.

Really, if this happens you should probably stop everything, coz its not consensual to coerce someone into have sex without a condom.

I'd really really recommend that you try and talk about this with your partner beforehand and come to an agreement about it. ANd also talk about how if someone then goes against this in the the heat of the moment, it's at that point that you're nto consenting to the act anymore...

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