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[Special guest] Thinking about Drinking with Hello Sunday Morning
Join us on Wednesday the 21st of June at 8:00pm to chat to Hello Sunday Morning about your relationship with alcohol.
Have you ever felt like this the morning after a big night?
Ever gotten a bit wasted and said something you regretted?
Have you tried Dry July and needed a Golden Ticket to get through?
Then this chat is for you. Hello Sunday Morning can help you think about your relationship with alcohol and take those Sunday mornings back from the hangover.
Edit: here are some anonymous questions that were asked along with @Briony-HSM's great answers.
How do you talk to a friend who is drinking too much but refuses to believe it?
Good question - this is one that comes up a lot, believe it or not. The big issue is that often when someone is drinking too much, they kind of already know that their behavior isn't 100% great, and so when we try to talk to them they can become defensive and shut down. One good way of engaging someone in a way that is likely to get them to listen, is to approach it from a very non-judgemental angle. For example, you could share some of your own experiences of drinking, or mention a story you have heard about a person who was going through a tough time and turned to alcohol. Often when we can kind of start that conversation and introduce the topic casually, it opens up opportunities for the person to either talk to you, or reflect on their own behavior. If you are really concerned about them, another option could be to choose a quiet time with just the two of you, and again take a non-judgemental approach and say something like 'I noticed that you seem to be drinking more lately, or when we go out you're often really drunk - and I worry about you because I wonder, is there something wrong, or is there some way I can help you?' This gives your friend the opportunity to see you're concerned, but it is said in a way that isn't aggressive - eg. you drink too much. Generally someone who is psychologically or physiologically dependent on alcohol will have some degree of shame, so finding the right way to talk to them (so they listen instead of shutting down!) is really important.
Pretty sure my mate is addicted to drinking, have tried talking with him. Have also had his parents talk with him - nothing working - What else can we do?
That's a tough one - sounds like he is really fortunate to have you all trying to support him. It sounds as if the 'direct' route is not working, probably because he is feeling ashamed about his drinking, or simply because he is not ready to change yet. This is a good description of the stages of change we might go through in deciding to change a behavior: http://www.cpe.vt.edu/gttc/presentations/8eStagesofChange.pdf - basically it can take a while for a person to be 'ready to change' and often that is that there are more reasons to change than to keep doing the behavior (one example of this is - I might want to eat freddo frogs for every meal, but at some stage I would have to change because I'd see the consequences of it, and I would see the reasons to change my behavior - but if I never saw any consequences to this, i'd likely to continue the behavior - I really love freddo frogs). So - what do you think are the 'reasons' your friend continues to drink - eg. does it make him more confident when he's out, is he drinking to deal with depression, is he physically dependent on alcohol, ect. And, what are his 'reasons' to change? This might be a good place to start with him - a casual conversation about maybe your own experiences of drinking, or starting a conversation that might awaken his curiosity as to why he drinks. Generally most people will try to stop drinking at some point (drinking generally has pretty bad long term consequences in terms of health, finances, relationship and job) but it sounds as if for your friend, the sooner this happens the better.
What are some good ways to manage drinking in social situations? I often start a night not wanting to drink too much but then I end up drinking more because I feel socially awkward
Yes, great question - and it is great that you've identified that social awkwardness is a big factor in drinking. One thing we really promote at HSM is the idea of 'experiments' - the idea is that by doing something differently, we are moving away from old behavior. One idea might be to go into one of these situations sober, and notice what it is like not drinking - see if you can address the social awkwardness without the booze. When we think about it, alcohol is effective in social situations as it relaxes our nervous system and lowers our inhibitions - it doesn't actually make us funnier or more attractive (unfortunately!) so it is just dulling us a little bit. In fact, we generally get a bit more annoying and uninteresting after a few drinks because the parts of our brains that control thought, speech and decision making are all impaired by the alcohol. See how you go with this and perhaps prepare some 'icebreakers' or topics of conversation to use with new people, as a way of managing potential awkwardness. My sense is that if you're able to go into a social situation and have some good experiences sober, it will build your confidence in your ability to manage these situations with only a couple of drinks, or none at all.
Can an alcoholic ever go back to drinking normally again?
This is a tough one - I would say that the general understanding is that no, its not advisable for a person who has had major issues with alcohol to try and go back to drinking normally. The fact that alcohol has impacted them so much tells me that they probably have a quite intense relationship with alcohol - that it has a really significant effect on them and it is really hard for them to just stop at one. There is a lot of research into this at the moment, and the general advice is that for some people they will need to be completely abstinent, in order to lead a normal life. This can be really sad for some people as they really wish they could just have a glass of wine with dinner, or drinks with friends, but they know that it will be really hard to stop after that. If this is your experience I would definitely recommend speaking to a drug and alcohol counsellor for some more information as it is pretty complex - to do with your genetics, what has happened in your life, your relationship with alcohol, your health, all sorts of things. At HSM we talk about changing your relationship with alcohol, so that it is not something that we use to 'take away' bad things (eg sadness, anxiety, loneliness), but it is something that you can consciously choose whether you want in your life. For many people who describe themselves as alcoholics or who have been diagnosed with a substance use disorder, their relationship with alcohol will be very complex and it will be really hard for them to manage it and have it as just one part of their lives, unfortunately.
How should I deal with a family memeber who's had a problem for alcohol for many years now and there's nothing more that I can do about them?
This is a really difficult situation, and i'm sorry to hear that you're having to deal with this - it can be really hard to see this happening with someone you love and they seem resistant to change. I will give you similar advice to that which I provided above, which is that: It sounds as if the 'direct' route is not working, probably because they are feeling ashamed about their drinking, or simply because they are not ready to change yet. This is a good description of the stages of change we might go through in deciding to change a behavior: http://www.cpe.vt.edu/gttc/presentations/8eStagesofChange.pdf - basically it can take a while for a person to be 'ready to change' and often that is that there are more reasons to change than to keep doing the behavior (one example of this is - I might want to eat freddo frogs for every meal, but at some stage I would have to change because I'd see the consequences of it, and I would see the reasons to change my behavior - but if I never saw any consequences to this, i'd likely to continue the behavior - I really love freddo frogs). So - what do you think are the 'reasons' your family member continues to drink - eg. does it make them relaxed after work, are they drinking to deal with depression, are they physically dependent on alcohol, ect. And, what are their 'reasons' to change? This might be a good place to start with them - a casual conversation about maybe your own experiences of drinking, or starting a conversation that might awaken his curiosity as to why he drinks. Generally most people will try to stop drinking at some point (drinking generally has pretty bad long term consequences in terms of health, finances, relationship and job). But if a person is really reliant on alcohol it can be hard for them to see the reasons before they get serious. One other point - if you believe the family member is drinking to deal with depression, it could be helpful to have that conversation with them - that alcohol causes our brains to release dopamine, which is that chemical that causes us to crave things and feel happy and energised. After a long time of heavy drinking, however, our brains become depleted from dopamine and we then rely on alcohol to get that feeling - so cravings can be around just wanting to feel 'normal'. This is a bit of a cycle and often depression as a result of this (feeling depressed because their brain chemistry is off kilter due to the low dopamine) can occurr - so a person may continue to drink to try and manage this issue. THe good news is that once they stop drinking this will generally resolve and they will find that their mood will improve and they will no longer rely on alcohol to manage it.
I might think about how I feel pressured sometimes so I give in, and how I can also be the pressurer in certain situations without realising at the time. Sometimes I go out planning to have a couple of drinks and end up gone, so I kinda have to learn to stand my ground a bit
Time for the next question....
We've talked about drinking culture and how for a lot of people it's just something that we do without thinking too much about.
Have you ever thought about your relationship with alcohol? What are some things you might think about if you reflected on your drinking habits?
@May_ wrote:Time for the next question....
We've talked about drinking culture and how for a lot of people it's just something that we do without thinking too much about.
Have you ever thought about your relationship with alcohol? What are some things you might think about if you reflected on your drinking habits?
For sure - it is something that we all have to do at some point. I know that it is a huge part of our social culture, as anyone who has not been drinking at a party or celebration knows, it can quickly become the focus of attention. I was at a dinner the other night and the number of times the host offered me wine, and said how sad he was that I wasn't going to be able to have a good time, was amazing. The funny thing was that I was having a great time and just didn't want to be hungover and tired before I played soccer the next day. But everyone was really sad for me and it became this huge topic of conversation - really hit home how hard non-drinkers have it every day!
My sense is that when we are young we drink to be able to socialise, and we don't tend to see the impacts - but later on when our lives settle down a bit, we can start to think about it a bit more. I suppose as others have said, if your drinking isn't benifitting you, and you can see that a lot of bad situations have arisen from times you've been drinking, then that is a sign that some thinking about it is needed!
If someone was to decide to cut back on drinking, what could be some of the things that might make it tricky?
I think the social aspect would make it difficult, especially if you were surrounded by people who drank quite frequently. It can feel a bit alienating not being able to be involved in that sort of social aspect.
-Feeling socially anxious without it
-Peer pressure (can be really subtle or really overt)
-Relying on alcohol to relieve feelings
-Wanting to have more fun
Have you ever thought about your relationship with alcohol? What are some things you might think about if you reflected on your drinking habits?
Until recently not really. But in the last couple of years I've taken more of a look. The trigger for me was actually Hello Sunday Morning funnily enough. I was like "wtf does Hello Sunday Morning mean" And then someone explained how it means not being hung over and thus having your Sunday mornings to do stuff. That was enough to get me noticing that i was scheduling Sunday mornings to be hungover and the rest is history!
Some of the things i started thinking about were:
- how often was actually healthy or safe for me
- why did i like to drink and how much did it have to do with having anxiety
- were there good reasons for drinking
- was there impacts of drinking that i didn't notice
@May_ wrote:
@Ben-RO can definitely relate to the scheduling Sunday mornings....well not just the mornings...for recovery. I didn't know this was such a common thing that someone made an org about it hehe
Haha yes it does resonate doesn't it..........I imagine the McDonalds drive throughs are really busy on Sunday mornings with hungover people trying to escape their pain!
A bit of background on HSM - the organisation started because our founder stopped drinking for a period of time as he was finding that he wasn't really getting much from drinking - and a whole lot of people started following his blog that he wrote about his experiment - hence Hello Sunday Morning!
@May_ wrote:
@Briony-HSM do you know why people crave oily/unhealthy food after drinking... 😛
That is a really good question. Apparently a big part of it is that when we're hungover, our poor bodies are hurting and most of our willpower is gone....so we tend to give in to our impulses (while on a normal day we would be more in adult mode and considering how awful we'll feel after that box of chicken nuggets).
Apparently it is also something to do with dopamine (gearing us towards pleasurable activities) as well as a chemical called galatin, which increases appetite for fats and junk food - galatin is increased by alcohol consumption.
Plus after a night of consuming calories mostly from alcohol your stomach is probably empty of food and needing energy to start the recover process. I have no idea why people crave pickles so much from hangovers though - though perhaps your taste buds are impacted by drinking for a long time so there is a need for some really tasty and salty foods.
A HUGGEE thankyou to @Briony-HSM for joining us tonight and sharing all her knowledge and tips with us! It is greatly appreciated and very insightful! 🙂
Thanks for everyone who joined us for the chat and I hope you have a good night! 😄
@FootyFan26 wrote:
Well it is 9:30 which signifies the end of tonight's Infobus.
A HUGGEE thankyou to @Briony-HSM for joining us tonight and sharing all her knowledge and tips with us! It is greatly appreciated and very insightful! 🙂
Thanks for everyone who joined us for the chat and I hope you have a good night! 😄
THanks guys, it was great! Even though QLD lost the State of Origin tonight I will still remember it as a good night 🙂
*edit - QLD staged a last minute comeback so it has been a great night all round!
What are some tips or tricks and support options that could help if you're thinking about cutting back or even quitting?
Hmm talking to people about your drinking and maybe asking them how they manage their drinking. Or seeking some advice from a professional. Other than that I'm not too sure
And the question for the evening...
What are some tips or tricks and support options that could help if you're thinking about cutting back or even quitting?
@SmileMonkey wrote:And the question for the evening...
What are some tips or tricks and support options that could help if you're thinking about cutting back or even quitting?
*my time to shine!!*
It would be ridiculous of me not to mention Hello Sunday Morning here as a good option if you're looking at making some changes. The website is great and there is lots to read there if you're looking for some advice and support.
We also have an app called Daybreak which has a community of people who are supporting each other (sort of like you guys here) which is amazing and supportive, as well as health coaching which can help you to get some individual advice about cutting back or stopping altogether.
As for other things - in your state and territory there will be helplines and also online counselling services that you can connect with to speak to someone about this. As well as face to face services that would be free in your area.
In terms of general things, here are some tips:
- talk to your friends about this, and what kinds of things they have noticed about their own drinking or yours
- think about what you would like your relationship with alcohol to be like - in an ideal world!
- get reading online - there are lots of great websites with support from communities who are going through a similar thing
- understand that behavior change can take time and it is always good to get some professional advice - this is especially the case if you're drinking a lot and want to stop - for some people if they stop suddenly (after drinking every day for a while) this can be really dangerous, so if you fall into this category, speak to your GP before doing anything
- think about it not so much as a problem or addiction, but as a coping strategy - we all drink for different reasons ,but if you can pinpoint the major issues that are leading you to drink, and get some support, you might find that drinking stops being as much of a problem.
As i said, there is lots of support out there so please feel free to get in touch 🙂
That is an amazing answer @Briony-HSM!
As @FootyFan26 we're out of time! Thank you all so much for coming and digging into the discussion tonight. I'll post answers to the anonymous questions tomorrow and as always if you want to chat more about this or have questions, just make a post and ask about it here. Or go visit Hello Sunday Morning 🙂
Night night everybody!
What are some tips or tricks and support options that could help if you're thinking about cutting back or even quitting?
I think its a good idea totalk to someone about how you are feeling and getting support from someone you trust, whether it is family, friends or even an alcohol or drug counsellor.
