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tsnyder
Star contributor

originally posted on 24-08-2015 9:10 PM

5. when we try to analyse a "failure" to learn from it, its hard to look objectively since we are emotionally invested in our own situation. is it possible to 'put yourself in someone elses shoes' to learn from it??

 

Absolutley it is hard.  Immediately folluwing a failure, especially if you have a large investment, it can be really hard to step back and look at a situation objectively.  Being able to empathize can definitely take time in my opinion - the greater the mental distance between now and the failure, the easier it is to put yourself in someone elses shoes

j95
Uber contributor

originally posted on 24-08-2015 9:06 PM

5. when we try to analyse a "failure" to learn from it, its hard to look objectively since we are emotionally invested in our own situation. is it possible to 'put yourself in someone elses shoes' to learn from it??

I think it is.
//You can stay afraid, or slit the throat of fear and be brave//
j95
Uber contributor

originally posted on 24-08-2015 9:10 PM

Oops - accidental pressed post early.
I think this because...

Well, I'm going to use this stealing scenario again. While I knew I had done wrong and messed up, while facing the consequences I couldn't help but think, I wouldn't want this happening to me. if I was a small business owner I would be pretty damn angry if a employee took things, someone who was supposed to be trusted.
//You can stay afraid, or slit the throat of fear and be brave//
tsnyder
Star contributor

originally posted on 24-08-2015 9:14 PM

@j95 it sounds like you really empathized with the shop owner?

j95
Uber contributor

originally posted on 24-08-2015 9:16 PM

@tsnyder yeah well... it was my workplace I took from. And I felt like an idiot for doing what I did but I felt like a terrible person.
//You can stay afraid, or slit the throat of fear and be brave//
tsnyder
Star contributor

originally posted on 24-08-2015 9:21 PM

@j95 I hear you man.  The fact that you felt like a terrible person tells me that you aren't one.  It sounds like you've learnt your lesson, so don't be too hard on yourself.  We all make mistakes, sometimes we even make the same mistake a couple of times! Recently I made a couple of pretty serious mistakes and then made them again, so trust me, you aren't a bad person for making a mistake that you've learnt from and feel bad about.  Keep your head up man

jvkn
Star contributor

originally posted on 24-08-2015 8:56 PM

@chandelier great find! No.4 is so relevant to what we have been saying "When I fail, I learn."
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chandelier
Super frequent scribe

originally posted on 24-08-2015 8:47 PM

re: motivation. story of my life footyfan
jvkn
Star contributor

originally posted on 24-08-2015 8:34 PM

@FootyFan26 Well done mate than is a pretty epic improvement! 

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tsnyder
Star contributor

originally posted on 24-08-2015 8:29 PM

thats interesting @Ben-RO, because I have made some horrendous meals in my life but I never even thought of them as failures... I reserve 'failure' for some of the really big things I think

Ben-RO
Uber contributor

originally posted on 24-08-2015 8:27 PM

Hey @FootyFan26@ruenhonx@j95

Hmm, this question is tricky, while i think you can learn from failures, sometimes it's tricky to change your point of view and think about the positives! 

 

Cooking is the biggest thing for me. I can make some pretty tasty food these days, but it took a LOT of burned an inedible stuff to get there. 

jvkn
Star contributor

originally posted on 24-08-2015 8:31 PM

@Ben-RO I'm sure a lot of professional chefs have had similar experiences, just goes to show you have to have a lot of practice, and make mistakes to learn how to cook great food 😛

 

My big one would have to be laundry, i made the mistake of mixing whites with colours and after three pink (use-to-be-white) shirts i've learn my lesson and now know how to master the art of laundry 

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j95
Uber contributor

originally posted on 24-08-2015 8:30 PM

So true about cooking Ben-RO
//You can stay afraid, or slit the throat of fear and be brave//
j95
Uber contributor

originally posted on 24-08-2015 8:16 PM

Hi everyone!
//You can stay afraid, or slit the throat of fear and be brave//
jvkn
Star contributor

originally posted on 24-08-2015 8:17 PM

@j95 Hey! thanks for joining us
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tsnyder
Star contributor

originally posted on 24-08-2015 7:59 PM

Good evening fellow RO members!

 

Tonight we will be talking about failure, what we know about it and how we feel about the issue! How do you feel about failure?

The session will be facilitated by @jvkn, @Ben-RO, and myself!

 

Please remember to have a look at the community guidelines if you haven’t already! If you feel like you need to talk to someone at any time, you can check out the emergency help resources.

originally posted on 24-08-2015 8:13 PM

Hey @tsnyder, @Ben-RO and @jvkn!

originally posted on 24-08-2015 8:12 PM

Success for me is the feeling of completion or achievement and it can be really small or really big. I feel like sometimes success can be shared or you can be the only one that sees that event as a success.

I don't think failure is the opposite of success because in my opinion you can learn more from failure than success and I feel like the lessons learnt from failure stick more than any others I've learnt.

Saying that, people can also say you've failed when you actually haven't and that has taught me some pretty bad habits.
jvkn
Star contributor

originally posted on 24-08-2015 8:14 PM

@FootFan26 Welcome to tonight's RO!

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FootyFan26
Uber contributor

originally posted on 24-08-2015 8:15 PM

I like feet @jvkn!

originally posted on 24-08-2015 8:18 PM

I also like feet @FootyFan26

@ruenhonx yeah thats a really inciteful way to approach it, so for you it's all about growth?

ruenhonx
Uber contributor

originally posted on 24-08-2015 8:21 PM

@tsnyder absolutely everything in life is about growth for me. All the negatives the way I look at it is how has it helped me grow? and if it has helped me in someway then SUCCESS!!!
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jvkn
Star contributor

originally posted on 24-08-2015 8:17 PM

@FootyFan26 haha omg sorry Smiley Tongue Footy*

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originally posted on 24-08-2015 8:14 PM

yeah I agree @FootyFan26, success can be individual or it can be shared!

 

What do you mean by 'bad habits'?  Sometimes people feel they have the right to tell you when you have failed, i agree!!

jvkn
Star contributor

originally posted on 24-08-2015 8:02 PM

It can be hard to talk about failures without talking about success so here’s our first Question:

 

How do you define success? Do you think success is the opposite of failure?

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