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Live GR: Discrimination, 18th of May, 7:30 pm AEST

Hey everyone!

 

This Monday we're going to be having another live discussion, this time to do with Discrimination.

 

Discrimination can take place in many forms, and is present pretty much everywhere. It affects everything from someone's day to day life to the kinds of policies we see in government. This has profound effects on people's welfare and mental health, and this is definitely something to remember with all of the news and information circulating right now!

 

 

Because discrimination is so pervasive, sometimes we might not notice it in circumstances that don't affect us, or we may even take part without realising it. Which is one of many reasons why it's so important to discuss and keep discussing topics like sexism, racism, ableism, and other forms of prejudice- as well as how we can tackle them as a society! 

 

Beyond this, this Getting Real chat is a safe space to discuss discrimination and how it has affected you and your loved ones, as well as how to cope with it and who to reach out to for support- whether personal or professional! 

 


We'll be kicking off the discussion at 7:30 pm AEST on Monday the 18th of May, and hope to see you all there! 😄 Heart 

 

ecla34
ecla34Posted 17-05-2020 04:37 PM
 
 
 
 
 
WheresMySquishy
WheresMySquishyPosted 18-05-2020 09:02 PM

Here are some more questions:

How can you support someone who is being discriminated against? What are some good ways to be there for someone who is facing discrimination? Maybe something you've done before and recommend to others!

giphy

 
 
 
 
 
WheresMySquishy
WheresMySquishyPosted 18-05-2020 09:09 PM

How can you support someone who is being discriminated against? What are some good ways to be there for someone who is facing discrimination? Maybe something you've done before and recommend to others!
I think that active listening is really important. You could validate their feelings, summarise what they are saying and try to show empathy by identifying their emotions. Sometimes, people who are being discriminated against think that they are just being overly sensitive, so acknowledging how they feel can go a long way. I think that it's also important to recognise that sometimes, we just want to vent and don't want to take any action at the time. So, it's good to let people have that space to vent before we jump into offer solutions or make any decisions. If they want to report it, you could also go with them or help them write a report or a letter explaining the situation and how it affected them. They also might not be aware that they can report it, so if they feel like doing so, you could show them some relevant resources.

 
 
 
 
 
Eden1717
Eden1717Posted 18-05-2020 09:04 PM

If it is safe to do so don’t be a silent bystander, try and help people and be supportive, ask if there is something they need from you instead of making assumptions. Make an effort to make them feel accepted and welcome. 

 
 
 
 
 
Hozzles
HozzlesPosted 18-05-2020 09:12 PM

How can you support someone who is being discriminated against? What are some good ways to be there for someone who is facing discrimination? Maybe something you've done before and recommend to others!
What @Eden1717 and @WheresMySquishy said! Smiley TongueHeart Completely agree with both your points! It can really be hard sometimes, but stepping in if it's safe to do so can really mean a lot, sometimes there's strength in numbers. And active-listening is a really important point, I feel like if someone's been discriminated against repeatedly they can definitely come to think the way they're being treated is the 'norm' and that they're silly for being upset. 


 
 
 
 
 
Hozzles
HozzlesPosted 18-05-2020 09:21 PM
Time for the last question! That went quick! Smiley Very Happy

How can we take steps towards change in society to make it a less discriminating place? Can you think of any other ways to be an ally for groups facing prejudice?
giphy
 
 
 
 
 
WheresMySquishy
WheresMySquishyPosted 18-05-2020 09:29 PM

How can we take steps towards change in society to make it a less discriminating place? Can you think of any other ways to be an ally for groups facing prejudice?
I think raising awareness of discrimination, laws against it and ways that people can get help are great places to start. As a society, we need to send a message that we don't tolerate discrimination. I also think that we should examine our own behaviour, try to educate ourselves about differences and more ways to be inclusive and continue growing as individuals. We can take small steps like mixing and learning about people from different groups. Volunteering with different organisations and with people from different or marginalised groups is also a great learning opportunity and can help you become a better ally.

 
 
 
 
 
Tiny_leaf
Tiny_leafPosted 18-05-2020 09:32 PM

What a cool thread!!

I'm on mobile so I'm not able to get all the questions in one place.. is anyone able to help out?

 
 
 
 
 
Hozzles
HozzlesPosted 18-05-2020 09:34 PM

@Tiny_leaf Here! Smiley Very Happy

1. What might discrimination look like? What contexts can discrimination occur in?
2. Who are some people who are more likely to face discrimination in our current society?
3. What are some things we can do to prevent ourselves from judging or discriminating against others?
4. What can you do/ where can you get support if you're being discriminated against?
5. How can you support someone who is being discriminated against?What are some good ways to be there for someone who is facing discrimination? Maybe something you've done before and recommend to others!
6. How can we take steps towards change in society to make it a less discriminating place? Can you think of any other ways to be an ally for groups facing prejudice?
 
 
 
 
 
Tiny_leaf
Tiny_leafPosted 18-05-2020 10:13 PM

@Hozzles magic!! Smiley Tongue thanks!

 

1. What might discrimination look like? What contexts can discrimination occur in?
Literally everywhere there are people. 
Some of my worst experiences though have been with medical professionals. Discrimination in the medical field is so common and can really impact people's healthcare..
 
2. Who are some people who are more likely to face discrimination in our current society?
Get ready for a long answer...
LGBTQIA+ people. There's a lot of that. Atm trans and bi people seem to be particularly popular targets Smiley Indifferent
Anyone who isn't thin.
People of colour and aboriginal people.
Disabled, mentally ill and chronically ill people, including anyone who is pre- or without a diagnosis. 
Women and other people who present in feminine ways.
 
3. What are some things we can do to prevent ourselves from judging or discriminating against others?
Question things you think about other people. Question assumptions. Try to remember that you know very little about the person.
 
4. What can you do/ where can you get support if you're being discriminated against?
Name it. Make sure that the person understands that they are treating you/ your community differently to how they treat people they don't discrimate against. My personal favorite "Are you a high functioning or low functioning non-autistic person?" in response to that #$%!ing question about functioning.
Correct it. "That's not how that mental illness actually works..."
And yeah there's a lot and I could write literally essays about this but I won't make you all read that...
 
5. How can you support someone who is being discriminated against?What are some good ways to be there for someone who is facing discrimination? Maybe something you've done before and recommend to others!
One thing that I wish people would do is stand up for me. It's exhausting having to fight for myself all the time when no one else has to. This is especially the case for people who are unable/ not safe to do this themselves. 
 
Also, one thing I've both heard of and experienced is people dismissing people's experience of discrimination. " He didn't mean it like that." "She didn't know you were trans" "They're only looking after your health" are not helpful. They don't change the impact ofthe discrimination. Try "They did what!?" or "That's not okay.. are you alright after that?"
 
6. How can we take steps towards change in society to make it a less discriminating place? Can you think of any other ways to be an ally for groups facing prejudice?
The fun question!
Correct assumptions.
Avoid using stigmatizing language and slurs. (please, please do not use slurs as insults oh my gosh I hear this so much)
Point out issues (eg. How are wheelchair users meant to get up here?)
Trust. People's. Experiences. Read things written by people who have faced discrimination. They might bring up microaggresions and issues that you didn't even realise were a problem.
 
 
 
 
 
WheresMySquishy
WheresMySquishyPosted 18-05-2020 10:22 PM

@Tiny_leaf  What you said about discrimination in the medical field and pointing out issues is so true. I was at the hospital today and since I had last been there, they made it so that the lift only went up to the ground floor, when my specialist is on the next level up. There is no other way to get to that level unless you take the stairs. I don't know how people who are post-op or have mobility issues are going to manage.
There was also a really great report about consumer and carer experiences with FND. I was so sad to read about everyone's experiences, but it was also validating that we were not alone in having them and feeling discriminated against.

 
 
 
 
 
Tiny_leaf
Tiny_leafPosted 18-05-2020 10:28 PM

@WheresMySquishy as someone with mobility issues who has had appointments that were only accessible by stairs.. yup..

 
 
 
 
 
Janine-RO
Janine-ROPosted 19-05-2020 02:15 PM

@ecla34  @Hozzles  @WheresMySquishy  thank you so much for running such a fantastic GR, I have loved reading through all of your responses - @Tiny_leaf  @Eden1717  @Saltwaterdreamtime  @Bananatime04  it's been so valuable to read different perspectives on this, and thank you for sharing your own experiences as well. Awareness of microaggressions and implicit bias is something that I've become much more attuned to in recent years, and I think being mindful of implicit biases that you may carry is incredibly important.

 

I feel like it can be easy for people to be totally blind to barriers that can exist for other people in society - I know that when I was a parent of a small child and suddenly navigating public transport with a pram I was suddenly aware of how many accessibility issues there were that I simply hadn't noticed, I'm ashamed to say. 

 

I also love the points people have made here about calling out prejudice when you see it, and being a good ally. 

 

Thanks so much for the thought provoking and interesting discussion! 

 
 
 
 
 
Saltwaterdreamtime
SaltwaterdreamtimePosted 19-05-2020 04:22 PM
Can we continue this discussion somewhere? @Janine-RO I have a story to
share about an incident of discrimination I had once and the power of
speaking up
 
 
 
 
 
Janine-RO
Janine-ROPosted 19-05-2020 04:37 PM

@Saltwaterdreamtime  you're more than welcome to continue the discussion here, or make another stand alone thread if you'd prefer - it would be incredibly valuable to hear about your experiences. 

 
 
 
 
 
Saltwaterdreamtime
SaltwaterdreamtimePosted 19-05-2020 05:01 PM
Cool - when I get time. Need find a way to reframe it a little and
emphasise why I needed someone to stand up, maybe later tonight I will
post
 
 
 
 
 
Hozzles
HozzlesPosted 18-05-2020 09:27 PM
How can we take steps towards change in society to make it a less discriminating place? Can you think of any other ways to be an ally for groups facing prejudice?
Bringing it back to almost every question in this GR... just being mindful of person's needs, and always taking into account that there are feelings behind each person and practicing empathy. It can start by the simple things, like using non-gendered language such as 'they/them' pronouns when you don't know a person's gender, to larger things, like creating or signing a petition to change something, or bringing an issue such as a lack of clothing sizes or a lack of disability access to a company's attention. As I said, volunteering is always an option for someone wanting to do more for groups facing prejudice -- I feel like almost every volunteer opportunity can fall within those lines! 
 
 
 
 
 
xXLexi_Lou122Xx
xXLexi_Lou122XxPosted 19-05-2020 05:06 PM
Thanks @Hozzles for the tag, and the question list!
Can we maybe add a list of all the questions at the end of every GR/Live Chat? I know that I can't make it to a lot of them, so it would be very helpful for those who can't join at the time! 🙂

1. I agree with everyone on this question, and I have been discriminated against before, too. I may not have a different sexuality, or be a stereo typically "Different" person, but I have been bullied in the past, by others against being sensitive over stress, having mental illness, and to their opinion, "Attention-seeking".
I agree that anyone and everyone can be discriminated against, for any reason, and anywhere, in the workplace/school, in a relationship/friendship, or in the general public of any place in the world. Which is quite sad to see, but its just how our world works, unfortunately.
2. Again, I agree with everyone here. Anyone and everyone can and has been discriminated against, at some point in their lives. Whether it be from race, sexuality, relationship, workplace/school, "Clique", or just for being themselves.
3. Trying to make sure you include people's pronouns, and respecting what some people have gone through. Like everyone else has said, just respecting everything you can think of in general.
4. All the listed sites and articles, and talking to people you trust and know they will understand. Discrimination can leave huge impacts, even when its unintentional.
5. Being there for them, and just listen until they ask for input or for some help to do something about it.
6. I basically agree with everyone else here! 🙂
 
 
 
 
 
Eden1717
Eden1717Posted 20-05-2020 12:03 PM

I also wanted to mention before but forgot that within mental health care there is a lot of gender based and racial discrimination. Often symptoms are based off white males this is particularly true for autism and at other times the needless gendering of male vs famale symptoms makes it very difficult for people who aren’t cis gender or male to receive an accurate diagnosis. Women with autism usually receive their diagnosis 10+ years later than males and people of color are also often diagnosed later. I also think that for me having to play white all the time makes me extra good at looking like there is nothing wrong with me but also there is this thing drs do where if you are a pretty white female they take you are lot more seriously and don’t try and rush you out of the hospital as quickly when you are still unwell. It happens so often and black males are often assumed to have aggression issues, but any non attractive women are just labeled attention  seekers. There is honestly so much discrimination within mental health care it is ridiculous but I am going to stop here for now.

 
 
 
 
 
Tay100
Tay100Posted 21-05-2020 12:36 PM

@Eden1717  yep, I totally agree, say it louder for the people in the back! This experience is unfortunately not unique or isolated; none of us are alone in this!

 

@Saltwaterdreamtime  yep, what you said about discrimination about being subtle is so real... it can be as simple as not been seen or heard, I think. 

 

@WheresMySquishy  The part about your neighbours, yep! Same here!

 

@Hozzles what about you said using neutral pronouns, I'm going to take that on board!

 

@xXLexi_Lou122Xx  I'm so sorry people thought you were attention-seeking when asking for help, that sucks!

 

Thanks for a great convo as always my good people! Til next time!

 

 
 
 
 
 
TOM-RO
TOM-ROPosted 20-05-2020 07:37 PM
Hello @Eden1717, thanks for sharing your experiences. I am sorry to hear that your experiences with the health care system have not been overly positive. You have brought up some important and interesting points that I think other people may resonate with. I am glad that you are feeling comfortable enough to share your experiences with us Heart
 
 
 
 
 
WheresMySquishy
WheresMySquishyPosted 18-05-2020 09:34 PM

@Hozzles  I think making a petition is a great idea! Another thing I've tried to do in the past is participating in surveys focusing on views about certain issues. I remember an organisation did one to send a report to the Mental Health Commission regarding consumer and carers' experiences of the healthcare system in relation to my sister's condition.
Some other ways of having our voices heard can be through writing letters and starting campaigns.

 
 
 
 
 
Hozzles
HozzlesPosted 18-05-2020 09:35 PM

@WheresMySquishy exactly! Advocacy can be really important! Smiley Very Happy

 
 
 
 
 
WheresMySquishy
WheresMySquishyPosted 18-05-2020 09:43 PM

Hey everyone!

It's been awesome having this chat tonight! Reading everyone's words was really inspiring, and it was great to support each other. I think just by having this chat, we've provided the forums with an amazing resource for anyone experiencing discrimination, or for members who are supporting another person who is experiencing it.

Thanks so much to everyone who took part! @ecla34  @Hozzles  @Tiny_leaf  @Eden1717  @Saltwaterdreamtime @ApplesRoses (sorry if I've missed anyone). Also a big thank you to everyone who worked behind the scenes to make this GR possible! 🙂

giphy

 
 
 
 
 
Hozzles
HozzlesPosted 18-05-2020 09:47 PM

For sure @WheresMySquishy! Such a great variety of valuable information from everyone, thank you so much! I look forward to any additional insights later, if anyone else would like to add their thoughts at any time!

Goodnight, all! Smiley Very HappyHeart

 
 
 
 
 
Bananatime04
Bananatime04Posted 18-05-2020 10:12 PM
@Hozzles I’m Sorry I’m very late. I am currently going through some stuff so I might not be able to contribute tonight. I might answer the questions when I am feeling better though 🙂 I’m keen to read the responses

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